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Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:59:00 - [1] I've lived and done missions in low sec practically since I first plugged into the pod. If you're smart, it's real easy, you make good rewards, and you never get caught. If you're not smart... well... you end up making posts like this about things like that happening to you.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:02:00 - [2] Originally by: Tegashi Killing mission runners is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked against the mission runner that they don't have a chance. This doesn't qualify as 'PvP' in my view, only griefing since it's such a one-sided engagement. The WoW comment makes me chuckle. The same 'PvP' douchebag mentality strongly exists there too. What pirates should do is initiate a convo, ask for permission to come into one's mission for a little bit of a tussle, then let the mission-runner form the gang, and they both agree to certain terms during the pirate's warp the the mission space. This needs to be implemented as pirate etiquette punishisble by a banning of the pirates account if broken.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Xaen And what? Run missions in high sec where the players invading missions and stealing salvage tell you to go to low-sec if you want to be able to fight back? Give me a break. And for the obvious braindead retort (not directed specifically at you Tarm): "Fly in a PvP fit and do them in low sec!!!lolz!! duh nub!" Yes, if you don't want to get your ship blown up, then stay in high sec, with their nothing rewards, and deal with the fact that people out there just like to grief you by stealing your salvage for giggles. OR... you could get out of the giant mission hub and find a less populated place where that thing doesn't happen. Motsu is not your friend. And you clearly know nothing of running missions in low-sec, so don't even comment on them until you've done them. You absolutely don't need a PvP fit. So hush unless you know what you're talking about, Nubenstein.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:15:00 - [4] Originally by: SN3263827 Killing mission rats is a pretty low and dirty practice. In many cases, the odds are so stacked in favour of the mission runner that they don't have a chance of losing. This doesn't qualify as 'a game' in my view, since it's such a one-sided engagement. QFMTF. Keeping in mind, I'm a non-whining, smart, adapting low-sec mission runner, I fully endorse being able to scan down people in missions, salvage their stuff, and blow them up. It keeps things interesting, and in this age of nerfs, one of the few things that keeps me in this game.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Grunanca I would say this is the worst idea ever since the guy wanting a necromancer skill in EVE. Dude... Skelemancer with 30 Skeletons. D2 for the win.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Modrak Vseth There is always someone looknig for the easy score rather then grinding missions or rats the hard way. Please. Grinding missions and rats the hard way? Are you doing level 4s in a Rifter or something? Work smart, not hard, I say. Working smart usually means taking someone else's stuff. I fully endorse that product and/or service.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Seeing EyeDog you realize your mission being scannable has nothing to do with if you are in it or not, right? stfu with your faux knowledge If your ship isn't in it, there's not anything left in there for the probes to lock onto. Unless, of course, you leave your drones in there like a muppet.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Xaen WW-trickster barb FTW. -Borai You know, I never, ever played a Barb. I had a mean Lightning Sorc, though.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Asestorian Salvage doesn't belong to anyone, so it cannot be stolen Weird, the wrecks have my corp tag on them. Only I can tractor them. Anyone else blowing them up will get a visit from CONCORD in highsec.... Of course. Can you imagine how much you'd cry and whine if your loot along with salvage was getting hilariously yoinked by opportunists? I wouldn't want that if I were CCP, either.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Venkul Mul Mission completed (and failed) it will not reset. It would have been nice for the pirates to ransom the target item, but probably it was not worth it for them. An no, it is part of the balance of EVE, missions sites should not be invulnerable. At the same time the interlopers in the mission should not be totally disregarded by the rats. They're not. If the mission runner doesn't have full aggro, the rats will turn on the interlopers if they stray to close.

Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:59:00 - [11] Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 07/11/2007 19:59:16 Originally by: Venkul Mul Happen what 1 time on 100? A bit more with the more recent missions, but still very rarely. Mission rats aren't your bodyguards.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 07/11/2007 20:00:00 Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 07/11/2007 19:59:16 Originally by: Venkul Mul Happen what 1 time on 100? A bit more with the more recent missions, but still very rarely. Mission rats aren't your bodyguards. Not the pirate helpers. But helping the pirates is exactly what they do. Yes, because it's the pirates that make you go and agress the rats with visions of easy ISK dancing throught your head.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Dzajic I don't have anything against concept of non consensual PvP. But. You can setup for belt rating and PvP. If you set up for missions, you don't stand a chance in PvP. Some ships might sacrifice mids for web/scram or some E-War, but going into any mission in omnitank is... not wise. With 99% of PvE setups your only chance is running away in time, that means having a good safe, a cloak fitted, and watching scanner and local like a hawk. And even if you manage to run away, you will most likely loose mission time bonus at least. Second. At most times you will be ganked by groups, not solo pirates, almost everyone in attacking gang will have web/scram, so you will lose. You cant kill the first guy to tackle you and run away, you have to fight all people who ganked you. PvE fit versus 3 or 5 or 10 gankers... Not a chance in a million years. Then too, if you are found in middle of mission, you will still have rat aggro (oh joy), wile new arrivals wont be agroed by rats in most cases... If mission rats attacked new arrivals always, or if it was more easy to do missions in proper PvP setups, if there was a chance of doing a fighting retreat in PvP (other than killing everyone attacking you)... then probing missioners would be fair deal. Not to mention that people using drones are exceptionally punished and sooooo much more easly detectable than standard boring missile boats. Imagine if when new real players entered mission areas rat numbers increased accordingly (theoretically to make more interesting option for small gangs to run missions together), AND if aggro was also distributed to all players in mission area, then we might have something to talk about. If you're missioning in low sec, you should be watching your scanner for probes very frequently. You should never be caught in a mission space. The moment you see that probe, you should be warping off. Warp Scrambling rats should always be the first things to go pop by all means. You should also know the area, and have standings set to all the locals you see. Find regional intel channels. Pretty much every region has them. Watch them so you know where the camps are if you need to travel across a system or two. Low sec missioning isn't for the weak or stupid. A lot of time, you'll have to pull a reaction our of your ass. And that's the kind of thing that makes it fun. In my 7 months or so of low sec missioning, I've never lost a ship while doing a mission. It's really that easy if you know what you're doing. But, if it's to much for you to handle, then you can sit in overcrowded laggy empire and get your salvage stolen. Be it high sec, low sec, or no sec, the EVE player will always find usually hilarious ways to try and grief another. And I love them for it.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:50:00 - [14] Originally by: MrTripps I have a bit of sympathy for the OP's position. The risk/reward balance favors the attacker too much. Pilot A is in a faction fitted BS and is busy with the mission objective. Pilot B is in an Arazu out dropping probes. Pilot B gets a read on Pilot A and warps in cloaked. Pilot B gets within 40 or so, decloaks, scrams, and damps Pilot A. Pilot B sits back while the NPCs chew up Pilot A who is crying and begging in local. The ship pops, Pilot B laughs, picks up surviving loot, and goes off to the pub. Pilot A is curled up in fetal position rocking back and forth. Not exactly fair is it? Now if you will excuse me I'm am going to go move an Arazu to a popular lvl4 mission system. If it were fair it wouldn't be EVE.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Romeda Yea I really have to agree with the OP here, this is way out of line and not what system scanning was developed for. The people who are not complaining are the ones doing this. There is such a thing as being a loser online and offline. What we should have is a box you can check or uncheck, saying whether your ship is a valid scanning target for probes or not. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Yes, put it right next to the PvP Yes/No check box. Exactly! _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Ares Lightfeather I mean, what's the point of a mission if someone else steals the mission specific loot Pure and utter hilarity. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.08 11:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Cipher7 Wait, so what's the risk/downside of mission running? Its just gain gain gain gain gain gain When do you lose anything? Eve economy is based on LOSS. Every profession has LOSSES, to make you go buy stuff to replace your LOSS. WHERE is the LOSS in MISSION RUNNING? I understand if you don't like PvP, you dont have to do it. But you have to lose something from time to time, to contribute to the Eve economy, otherwise you are a parasite receiving money and never spending. You seem to be forgetting about the cost of ammo! ISK loss! _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.08 14:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Mamba Lev Like i said there is enough risk from some missions There's next to no risk in missions if you do them right. High sec you hardly have to even be there. Low sec is only slightly more demanding in the paying attention aspect. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.10 18:32:00 - [20] If you can't handle low sec because you're to weak and ignorant, then stay out. It's that simple. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.

Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Mamba Lev Killing mission runners is griefing. Griefing? Yes. Allowed? Yes. Hilarious? Yes. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.

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